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		<title>By: Dirk Holtwick</title>
		<link>http://blog.ianbicking.org/2008/04/17/webob-do-it-yourself-framework/comment-page-1/#comment-24293</link>
		<dc:creator>Dirk Holtwick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Aug 2008 11:33:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Ian. Once again you wrote a great article where each line is full of new things to learn. Inspired by this I wrote a little Python framework that supports GAE and Paster. It uses your appengine_monkey patches which I updated on some places to make some bug fixes, mainly for Windows. If you find the time to have a look at it and tell me what you thing about it I would be very glad. Here is the project page:

http://code.google.com/p/pyxer/

Thanks again for the very cool and useful tools you wrote. 
Dirk</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Ian. Once again you wrote a great article where each line is full of new things to learn. Inspired by this I wrote a little Python framework that supports GAE and Paster. It uses your appengine_monkey patches which I updated on some places to make some bug fixes, mainly for Windows. If you find the time to have a look at it and tell me what you thing about it I would be very glad. Here is the project page:</p>

<p><a href="http://code.google.com/p/pyxer/" rel="nofollow">http://code.google.com/p/pyxer/</a></p>

<p>Thanks again for the very cool and useful tools you wrote. 
Dirk</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Hammel</title>
		<link>http://blog.ianbicking.org/2008/04/17/webob-do-it-yourself-framework/comment-page-1/#comment-16857</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff Hammel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Apr 2008 16:05:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree that writing a framework is a useful exercise, and think that a language should provide the one true framework as a mis-notion for people that want an out of the box solution to a complex problem.

I&#039;ve found webob both very useful and fun to use in writing simple RESTful apps.  I&#039;ve written a paster template for a simple view with webob that might be useful to some, at least for reference: https://svn.openplans.org/svn/standalone/webob_view/trunk/
This could be used or be modified to be used with a simple framework/routing system as presented in the tutorial -- just have a bunch of views with a route for each == website.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that writing a framework is a useful exercise, and think that a language should provide the one true framework as a mis-notion for people that want an out of the box solution to a complex problem.</p>

<p>I&#8217;ve found webob both very useful and fun to use in writing simple RESTful apps.  I&#8217;ve written a paster template for a simple view with webob that might be useful to some, at least for reference: <a href="https://svn.openplans.org/svn/standalone/webob&#95;view/trunk/" rel="nofollow">https://svn.openplans.org/svn/standalone/webob_view/trunk/</a>
This could be used or be modified to be used with a simple framework/routing system as presented in the tutorial &#8212; just have a bunch of views with a route for each == website.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Hoeppner</title>
		<link>http://blog.ianbicking.org/2008/04/17/webob-do-it-yourself-framework/comment-page-1/#comment-16806</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Hoeppner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Apr 2008 09:58:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry for double posting. This is actually what I came to post.

I&#039;m not sure wether you&#039;ve read Diving into Python. The way code is commented in that book is absolutely genius. You see a big piece of code, just like yours. And below it you find a numbered explanation of every relevant line or group of lines.

I&#039;m saying this because I had my little problems understanding what exactly your code does. Like the routing templating thing. I thought &quot;Okay. This turns our nice routing syntax into actual regular expressions to use elsewhere. But *how* does he do it?&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry for double posting. This is actually what I came to post.</p>

<p>I&#8217;m not sure wether you&#8217;ve read Diving into Python. The way code is commented in that book is absolutely genius. You see a big piece of code, just like yours. And below it you find a numbered explanation of every relevant line or group of lines.</p>

<p>I&#8217;m saying this because I had my little problems understanding what exactly your code does. Like the routing templating thing. I thought &#8220;Okay. This turns our nice routing syntax into actual regular expressions to use elsewhere. But <em>how</em> does he do it?&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Hoeppner</title>
		<link>http://blog.ianbicking.org/2008/04/17/webob-do-it-yourself-framework/comment-page-1/#comment-16805</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Hoeppner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Apr 2008 09:51:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ian &amp; Niki:

For `__import__`, you can also give the 4th argument as a list with a single empty string. This is the &quot;context&quot; argument, meaning it acts like `from x import y`, context being the x bit. Giving it an empty string makes it return the last bit of the first argument.

For example:

    __import__(&#039;some.module&#039;, {}, {}, [&#039;&#039;])

returns module, not some.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ian &amp; Niki:</p>

<p>For <code>__import__</code>, you can also give the 4th argument as a list with a single empty string. This is the &#8220;context&#8221; argument, meaning it acts like <code>from x import y</code>, context being the x bit. Giving it an empty string makes it return the last bit of the first argument.</p>

<p>For example:</p>

<pre><code>__import__('some.module', {}, {}, [''])
</code></pre>

<p>returns module, not some.</p>
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		<title>By: Ian Bicking</title>
		<link>http://blog.ianbicking.org/2008/04/17/webob-do-it-yourself-framework/comment-page-1/#comment-16778</link>
		<dc:creator>Ian Bicking</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 16:14:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Niki: `__import__` returns the first segment of whatever you import.  So if you do `__import__(&#039;mypackage.mymodule&#039;)` it returns `mypackage`.  Just getting the module from `sys.modules` is, I&#039;ve found, the easiest way of getting at the module that was actually imported.

Carlo: yes, you can do that.  To do it you need to pass a proxy application to `req.get_response()`.  There&#039;s one in [WSGIProxy](http://pythonpaste.org/wsgiproxy/), in `wsgiproxy.exactproxy.proxy_exact_request`.  So you can do:

    req = Request.blank(&#039;http://pythonpaste.org&#039;)
    resp = req.get_response(wsgiproxy.exactproxy.proxy_exact_request`

`proxy_exact_request` is named as such because it has no options, but reads the exact information the request contains (including stuff like SERVER_NAME so you can send a request not by DNS).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Niki: <code>__import__</code> returns the first segment of whatever you import.  So if you do <code>__import__('mypackage.mymodule')</code> it returns <code>mypackage</code>.  Just getting the module from <code>sys.modules</code> is, I&#8217;ve found, the easiest way of getting at the module that was actually imported.</p>

<p>Carlo: yes, you can do that.  To do it you need to pass a proxy application to <code>req.get_response()</code>.  There&#8217;s one in <a href="http://pythonpaste.org/wsgiproxy/">WSGIProxy</a>, in <code>wsgiproxy.exactproxy.proxy_exact_request</code>.  So you can do:</p>

<pre><code>req = Request.blank('http://pythonpaste.org')
resp = req.get_response(wsgiproxy.exactproxy.proxy_exact_request`
</code></pre>

<p><code>proxy_exact_request</code> is named as such because it has no options, but reads the exact information the request contains (including stuff like SERVER_NAME so you can send a request not by DNS).</p>
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		<title>By: Carlo Cabanilla</title>
		<link>http://blog.ianbicking.org/2008/04/17/webob-do-it-yourself-framework/comment-page-1/#comment-16774</link>
		<dc:creator>Carlo Cabanilla</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 13:01:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Ian,

I&#039;ve been playing with webob a lot lately and I gotta say that it&#039;s great! In all my past apps, I&#039;ve been trying to model requests/responses in a nice Pythonic and RESTful way but never quite made it, so webob is just what I&#039;ve been looking for.

I was wondering if there was any plans on letting webob Request objects make actual HTTP calls, returning webob Responses? I wrote a wrapper class to do it, but I think it&#039;d make sense to be part of the Request object. If it&#039;s something you&#039;d be open to, I&#039;d like to contribute some code.



.Carlo</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Ian,</p>

<p>I&#8217;ve been playing with webob a lot lately and I gotta say that it&#8217;s great! In all my past apps, I&#8217;ve been trying to model requests/responses in a nice Pythonic and RESTful way but never quite made it, so webob is just what I&#8217;ve been looking for.</p>

<p>I was wondering if there was any plans on letting webob Request objects make actual HTTP calls, returning webob Responses? I wrote a wrapper class to do it, but I think it&#8217;d make sense to be part of the Request object. If it&#8217;s something you&#8217;d be open to, I&#8217;d like to contribute some code.</p>

<p>.Carlo</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Hoeppner</title>
		<link>http://blog.ianbicking.org/2008/04/17/webob-do-it-yourself-framework/comment-page-1/#comment-16767</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Hoeppner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 09:32:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is the kind of stuff I&#039;ve been looking for to fill my pythonic gap after learning the basics and before banging my head on the wall with anything too big **=)**</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is the kind of stuff I&#8217;ve been looking for to fill my pythonic gap after learning the basics and before banging my head on the wall with anything too big <strong>=)</strong></p>
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		<title>By: Roger Erens</title>
		<link>http://blog.ianbicking.org/2008/04/17/webob-do-it-yourself-framework/comment-page-1/#comment-16764</link>
		<dc:creator>Roger Erens</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 08:40:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe you could add in the introduction some links on how to obtain and install WSGI and WebOb?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe you could add in the introduction some links on how to obtain and install WSGI and WebOb?</p>
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		<title>By: Niki Spahiev</title>
		<link>http://blog.ianbicking.org/2008/04/17/webob-do-it-yourself-framework/comment-page-1/#comment-16763</link>
		<dc:creator>Niki Spahiev</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 08:22:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The return value of __ import __ isn&#039;t very useful&quot;

What&#039;s wrong with module returned by __ import __()?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The return value of __ import __ isn&#8217;t very useful&#8221;</p>

<p>What&#8217;s wrong with module returned by __ import __()?</p>
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