Comments on: App Engine and Pylons http://blog.ianbicking.org/2008/04/13/app-engine-and-pylons/ Fri, 06 May 2011 07:16:39 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: kirk bushell http://blog.ianbicking.org/2008/04/13/app-engine-and-pylons/comment-page-1/#comment-151543 kirk bushell Thu, 11 Feb 2010 12:43:22 +0000 http://blog.ianbicking.org/2008/04/13/app-engine-and-pylons/#comment-151543 You're missing a few things in your assumption. First and foremost, is the ease of scaling. As your projects get larger, scaling becomes more and more of a problem - no matter how good you are. The amount of time and money needed in order to scale both vertically and horizontally is, well, can - be a lot. The google app engine platform simplfies this process almost to the point where you don't need to worry about it, so - if you're expecting large growth and don't want the growing pains, it's a great platform - so long as you know python or java :) You’re missing a few things in your assumption. First and foremost, is the ease of scaling. As your projects get larger, scaling becomes more and more of a problem – no matter how good you are. The amount of time and money needed in order to scale both vertically and horizontally is, well, can – be a lot. The google app engine platform simplfies this process almost to the point where you don’t need to worry about it, so – if you’re expecting large growth and don’t want the growing pains, it’s a great platform – so long as you know python or java :)

]]> By: Cruz http://blog.ianbicking.org/2008/04/13/app-engine-and-pylons/comment-page-1/#comment-147085 Cruz Tue, 12 Jan 2010 09:24:22 +0000 http://blog.ianbicking.org/2008/04/13/app-engine-and-pylons/#comment-147085 Yet another language to learn, though? Sure we can do it, but what’s the percentage of Python programmers vs. other languages out there. http://bygsoft.wordpress.com/2010/01/09/cloudy-combo-google-app-engine-and-amazon-s3-combo-pack/ Yet another language to learn, though? Sure we can do it, but what’s the percentage of Python programmers vs. other languages out there.

http://bygsoft.wordpress.com/2010/01/09/cloudy-combo-google-app-engine-and-amazon-s3-combo-pack/

]]> By: Cruz http://blog.ianbicking.org/2008/04/13/app-engine-and-pylons/comment-page-1/#comment-146536 Cruz Sat, 09 Jan 2010 12:09:26 +0000 http://blog.ianbicking.org/2008/04/13/app-engine-and-pylons/#comment-146536 There are few other problems faced while using GAE like mentioned here http://bygsoft.wordpress.com/2010/01/09/cloudy-combo-google-app-engine-and-amazon-s3-combo-pack/ There are few other problems faced while using GAE like mentioned here http://bygsoft.wordpress.com/2010/01/09/cloudy-combo-google-app-engine-and-amazon-s3-combo-pack/

]]> By: Iain Duncan http://blog.ianbicking.org/2008/04/13/app-engine-and-pylons/comment-page-1/#comment-16819 Iain Duncan Fri, 18 Apr 2008 20:20:24 +0000 http://blog.ianbicking.org/2008/04/13/app-engine-and-pylons/#comment-16819 Whether or not you would use it, getting platforms working on App engine is going to have a huge trickle down effect on python web dev. Right now deployment is the biggest hurdle to wider adoption, and if Google is providing free deployment with a good tool set, you can bet that way more people will be trying python out for web dev, resulting in community growth, and all the major hosting companies are going to have to start paying attention to python or lose out. From a python growth and marketing perspective, app engine is great news and the work put into getting the major platforms working is well worth it! Thanks! Whether or not you would use it, getting platforms working on App engine is going to have a huge trickle down effect on python web dev. Right now deployment is the biggest hurdle to wider adoption, and if Google is providing free deployment with a good tool set, you can bet that way more people will be trying python out for web dev, resulting in community growth, and all the major hosting companies are going to have to start paying attention to python or lose out. From a python growth and marketing perspective, app engine is great news and the work put into getting the major platforms working is well worth it!

Thanks!

]]> By: Ian Bicking http://blog.ianbicking.org/2008/04/13/app-engine-and-pylons/comment-page-1/#comment-16733 Ian Bicking Mon, 14 Apr 2008 22:36:48 +0000 http://blog.ianbicking.org/2008/04/13/app-engine-and-pylons/#comment-16733 Ken: no hosting is free. To start out with this is the cheapest hosting out there (free!) -- we don't know how the charges will look after that. But I would be surprised if it didn't stay the cheapest. Asbjørn: the Datastore doesn't have locking, but it does have transactions. Filesystems don't usually have transactions, but they do have locking. While it would kind of work, it seems awkward, and it would perform so differently from a real filesystem that I think it wouldn't work very well. Ken: no hosting is free. To start out with this is the cheapest hosting out there (free!) — we don’t know how the charges will look after that. But I would be surprised if it didn’t stay the cheapest.

Asbjørn: the Datastore doesn’t have locking, but it does have transactions. Filesystems don’t usually have transactions, but they do have locking. While it would kind of work, it seems awkward, and it would perform so differently from a real filesystem that I think it wouldn’t work very well.

]]> By: Ken Fowler http://blog.ianbicking.org/2008/04/13/app-engine-and-pylons/comment-page-1/#comment-16729 Ken Fowler Mon, 14 Apr 2008 20:14:47 +0000 http://blog.ianbicking.org/2008/04/13/app-engine-and-pylons/#comment-16729 IIRC, once you have to scale up, then you have to start getting charged extra. So then you are paying just like you would somewhere else, except you are married to google's sandbox? if that is true, then no thanks. IIRC, once you have to scale up, then you have to start getting charged extra. So then you are paying just like you would somewhere else, except you are married to google’s sandbox? if that is true, then no thanks.

]]> By: Eric Martindale http://blog.ianbicking.org/2008/04/13/app-engine-and-pylons/comment-page-1/#comment-16726 Eric Martindale Mon, 14 Apr 2008 18:17:42 +0000 http://blog.ianbicking.org/2008/04/13/app-engine-and-pylons/#comment-16726 Obligatory "Need to construct more Pylons" comment. Obligatory “Need to construct more Pylons” comment.

]]> By: Asbjørn Ulsberg http://blog.ianbicking.org/2008/04/13/app-engine-and-pylons/comment-page-1/#comment-16725 Asbjørn Ulsberg Mon, 14 Apr 2008 10:29:54 +0000 http://blog.ianbicking.org/2008/04/13/app-engine-and-pylons/#comment-16725 I wonder why file system stuff isn't implemented atop of Big Table. How hard is it to just dump the file inside the database, and then retrieve it with the file path as the key? It's okay that GAE has restrictions, but they should replace all standard libraries with their own alternatives, perhaps even transparently where possible. I wonder why file system stuff isn’t implemented atop of Big Table. How hard is it to just dump the file inside the database, and then retrieve it with the file path as the key? It’s okay that GAE has restrictions, but they should replace all standard libraries with their own alternatives, perhaps even transparently where possible.

]]> By: Ian Bicking http://blog.ianbicking.org/2008/04/13/app-engine-and-pylons/comment-page-1/#comment-16716 Ian Bicking Sun, 13 Apr 2008 23:13:17 +0000 http://blog.ianbicking.org/2008/04/13/app-engine-and-pylons/#comment-16716 The manageability is as important to me as the price. People time is expensive, so why waste it managing servers? (Personally the manageability of the environment is more attractive than the scalability, though the two are of course related) The manageability is as important to me as the price. People time is expensive, so why waste it managing servers? (Personally the manageability of the environment is more attractive than the scalability, though the two are of course related)

]]> By: Kurt http://blog.ianbicking.org/2008/04/13/app-engine-and-pylons/comment-page-1/#comment-16715 Kurt Sun, 13 Apr 2008 23:03:57 +0000 http://blog.ianbicking.org/2008/04/13/app-engine-and-pylons/#comment-16715 Well, the advantage of the Google thing isn't necessarily the price. It's the ability to scale an application until the sky turns plaid. A good chunk of the effort is similar to the effort you'd have to put in to handle gobs of traffic. With the AppEngine, though, you don't have to do anything but write your application intelligently. They handle all the repetitive annoying stuff. Well, the advantage of the Google thing isn’t necessarily the price. It’s the ability to scale an application until the sky turns plaid.

A good chunk of the effort is similar to the effort you’d have to put in to handle gobs of traffic. With the AppEngine, though, you don’t have to do anything but write your application intelligently. They handle all the repetitive annoying stuff.

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