Comments on: The Shrinking Python Web Framework World http://blog.ianbicking.org/2007/08/21/the-shrinking-python-web-framework-world/ Fri, 06 May 2011 07:16:39 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Alkassoum http://blog.ianbicking.org/2007/08/21/the-shrinking-python-web-framework-world/comment-page-1/#comment-158384 Alkassoum Mon, 05 Apr 2010 04:46:33 +0000 http://blog.ianbicking.org/2007/08/21/the-shrinking-python-web-framework-world/#comment-158384 There is no doubt Web2Py is worth being learned and used. It's definitively a good framework. There is no doubt Web2Py is worth being learned and used. It’s definitively a good framework.

]]> By: Rahul http://blog.ianbicking.org/2007/08/21/the-shrinking-python-web-framework-world/comment-page-1/#comment-151939 Rahul Mon, 15 Feb 2010 06:21:23 +0000 http://blog.ianbicking.org/2007/08/21/the-shrinking-python-web-framework-world/#comment-151939 I tried both Django (1.1 Final) and Web2py (1.74.11) I think both these are good frameworks. WEb2py is a tag easier than Django. Great job Missio! I tried both Django (1.1 Final) and Web2py (1.74.11) I think both these are good frameworks. WEb2py is a tag easier than Django. Great job Missio!

]]> By: NicolasChauvat http://blog.ianbicking.org/2007/08/21/the-shrinking-python-web-framework-world/comment-page-1/#comment-88831 NicolasChauvat Mon, 16 Mar 2009 07:14:25 +0000 http://blog.ianbicking.org/2007/08/21/the-shrinking-python-web-framework-world/#comment-88831 What about a robust and mature (started in 2000) Python framework that recently went public under the LGPL and has had for years the features that will be very hard to add to django, like multi-database support ? <a href="http://www.cubicweb.org" rel="nofollow">CubicWeb</a> is a semantic web application framework worth reading about. What about a robust and mature (started in 2000) Python framework that recently went public under the LGPL and has had for years the features that will be very hard to add to django, like multi-database support ? CubicWeb is a semantic web application framework worth reading about.

]]> By: mormon http://blog.ianbicking.org/2007/08/21/the-shrinking-python-web-framework-world/comment-page-1/#comment-25192 mormon Thu, 07 Aug 2008 04:57:36 +0000 http://blog.ianbicking.org/2007/08/21/the-shrinking-python-web-framework-world/#comment-25192 With regard to RoR's elephants, yeah. It still lacks speed-wise and, ridiculously, requires multiple concurrent mongrels if you want any type of throughput. The hope, however, is that using fibers, event driven DB access and Ruby 1.9's faster VM will help it avoid some of those problems, but...well...it ain't yet :) Hopefully sometime. Now to see if we can get Rails thread-safe... Django is indeed nice. I'd put it right up there with RoR, if not above. -R With regard to RoR’s elephants, yeah. It still lacks speed-wise and, ridiculously, requires multiple concurrent mongrels if you want any type of throughput. The hope, however, is that using fibers, event driven DB access and Ruby 1.9′s faster VM will help it avoid some of those problems, but…well…it ain’t yet :) Hopefully sometime. Now to see if we can get Rails thread-safe… Django is indeed nice. I’d put it right up there with RoR, if not above. -R

]]> By: tom http://blog.ianbicking.org/2007/08/21/the-shrinking-python-web-framework-world/comment-page-1/#comment-15509 tom Fri, 22 Feb 2008 22:54:09 +0000 http://blog.ianbicking.org/2007/08/21/the-shrinking-python-web-framework-world/#comment-15509 I started to use Django a few months ago and I am very impressed by its ease of use and performance. I was new to Python (coming from C#) and was a bit surprised by then quickly amazed by the simplicity and power of this language ! Concerning Python frameworks, Django is definitely my favorite ! I just found the frequency of the release a bit slow. A good start to evaluate other Python frameworks : http://www.therightsoft.com/softwaretechnologies/webframeworks/?languageid=2 (though as said before in the discussion, all the items are not comparable...) I started to use Django a few months ago and I am very impressed by its ease of use and performance. I was new to Python (coming from C#) and was a bit surprised by then quickly amazed by the simplicity and power of this language !

Concerning Python frameworks, Django is definitely my favorite ! I just found the frequency of the release a bit slow. A good start to evaluate other Python frameworks : http://www.therightsoft.com/softwaretechnologies/webframeworks/?languageid=2

(though as said before in the discussion, all the items are not comparable…)

]]> By: Massimo http://blog.ianbicking.org/2007/08/21/the-shrinking-python-web-framework-world/comment-page-1/#comment-1451 Massimo Sat, 13 Oct 2007 04:32:14 +0000 http://blog.ianbicking.org/2007/08/21/the-shrinking-python-web-framework-world/#comment-1451 <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VBjja6N6IYk" rel="nofollow">Here</a> is a video respose to this discussion. It makes the list longer but I am trying to make a point about usability and software engineering: 1) you cannot require your average user to be as knowledgeble as the developers of the framework; 2) choose a top-down design, not a bottom-up one, otherwise your users will be disappointed by APIs that change on a weekly basis. With <a href="http://mdp.cti.depaul.edu/examples" rel="nofollow">Gluon</a> I have tried to address these two issues. Remember that our competitors are not other Python frameworks. Our competitors are JSP, PHP and perhaps Ruby on Rails. Here is a video respose to this discussion. It makes the list longer but I am trying to make a point about usability and software engineering: 1) you cannot require your average user to be as knowledgeble as the developers of the framework; 2) choose a top-down design, not a bottom-up one, otherwise your users will be disappointed by APIs that change on a weekly basis. With Gluon I have tried to address these two issues. Remember that our competitors are not other Python frameworks. Our competitors are JSP, PHP and perhaps Ruby on Rails.

]]> By: bir2su http://blog.ianbicking.org/2007/08/21/the-shrinking-python-web-framework-world/comment-page-1/#comment-1229 bir2su Fri, 05 Oct 2007 10:46:55 +0000 http://blog.ianbicking.org/2007/08/21/the-shrinking-python-web-framework-world/#comment-1229 Django is the best framework not only in the python world. it is the best web framework ever built. Unlike other framework it is scalable and is ideal framework for the agile web development. you can download the django book(pdf) at bir2su.blogspot.com Django is the best framework not only in the python world. it is the best web framework ever built. Unlike other framework it is scalable and is ideal framework for the agile web development.

you can download the django book(pdf) at bir2su.blogspot.com

]]> By: Seeking Refuge http://blog.ianbicking.org/2007/08/21/the-shrinking-python-web-framework-world/comment-page-1/#comment-1089 Seeking Refuge Mon, 24 Sep 2007 13:22:39 +0000 http://blog.ianbicking.org/2007/08/21/the-shrinking-python-web-framework-world/#comment-1089 Regarding RoR, I've arrived back at Python from Ruby, finding that they have a much bigger elephant in their room, probably several elephants. First of all, the only deployment game in town is currently Mongrel, and the proposal is that you deploy 5 or so 30 meg Rails processes PER APPLICATION. So you have a bunch of little clusters popping up everywhere hogging all the RAM, and in lieu of a single server, they propose that this all be managed by a thing called Capistrano. I simply can't do this. I went back to Django after seeing the simple and familiar Apache prefork deployment on mod_python. Should be good enough. RoR/Mongrel is some kind of bandaid. Who thought of this per-app clustered architecture, at 30 megs a pop? Am I seriously willing to deploy that? Guess I'll have to take a look... Who knows though...maybe I'll end up going back. Get to know Capistrano. Seems to me they've become as complex as Java. Hey, maybe I'll just go back to Java. Regarding RoR, I’ve arrived back at Python from Ruby, finding that they have a much bigger elephant in their room, probably several elephants.

First of all, the only deployment game in town is currently Mongrel, and the proposal is that you deploy 5 or so 30 meg Rails processes PER APPLICATION. So you have a bunch of little clusters popping up everywhere hogging all the RAM, and in lieu of a single server, they propose that this all be managed by a thing called Capistrano. I simply can’t do this.

I went back to Django after seeing the simple and familiar Apache prefork deployment on mod_python. Should be good enough. RoR/Mongrel is some kind of bandaid. Who thought of this per-app clustered architecture, at 30 megs a pop? Am I seriously willing to deploy that? Guess I’ll have to take a look…

Who knows though…maybe I’ll end up going back. Get to know Capistrano. Seems to me they’ve become as complex as Java. Hey, maybe I’ll just go back to Java.

]]> By: Sharp Programmer http://blog.ianbicking.org/2007/08/21/the-shrinking-python-web-framework-world/comment-page-1/#comment-792 Sharp Programmer Sun, 09 Sep 2007 03:40:10 +0000 http://blog.ianbicking.org/2007/08/21/the-shrinking-python-web-framework-world/#comment-792 I just entered into Python world. I speak Perl. Once I grab up enough syntax, I'll look at the framework. Thanks I just entered into Python world. I speak Perl. Once I grab up enough syntax, I’ll look at the framework. Thanks

]]> By: Mike Orr http://blog.ianbicking.org/2007/08/21/the-shrinking-python-web-framework-world/comment-page-1/#comment-513 Mike Orr Fri, 31 Aug 2007 19:54:02 +0000 http://blog.ianbicking.org/2007/08/21/the-shrinking-python-web-framework-world/#comment-513 It's interesting that some people now consider CherryPy "not a framework". When the angst over the burgeoning number of frameworks climaxed in 2005 at the PyWebOff talk in PyCon 2005, CherryPy was one of the foremost frameworks. So what happened? TurboGears introduced the concept of "megaframework", which Django and Pylons are also competing in. It looks like this has now become people's concept of a "framework", and the simpler frameworks are now... framework components? The original definition of a framework was "it calls you" -- i.e., a container for your application -- as opposed to a library where is "you call it". So all these server/dispatcher thingys are frameworks under this definition, including small ones like Paste and web.py. Quixote is still maintained and in production sites. Its lack of activity is due to its stability as well as its minimalistic philosophy: fewer features means fewer bugs. The Quixote developers have chosen not to compete in the megaframework arena but instead to let people come to it. It does what its paying sponsors need, in any case. :) Future development has been targeted to Qpy, which has a more extensible codebase. It’s interesting that some people now consider CherryPy “not a framework”. When the angst over the burgeoning number of frameworks climaxed in 2005 at the PyWebOff talk in PyCon 2005, CherryPy was one of the foremost frameworks. So what happened?

TurboGears introduced the concept of “megaframework”, which Django and Pylons are also competing in. It looks like this has now become people’s concept of a “framework”, and the simpler frameworks are now… framework components?

The original definition of a framework was “it calls you” — i.e., a container for your application — as opposed to a library where is “you call it”. So all these server/dispatcher thingys are frameworks under this definition, including small ones like Paste and web.py.

Quixote is still maintained and in production sites. Its lack of activity is due to its stability as well as its minimalistic philosophy: fewer features means fewer bugs. The Quixote developers have chosen not to compete in the megaframework arena but instead to let people come to it. It does what its paying sponsors need, in any case. :) Future development has been targeted to Qpy, which has a more extensible codebase.

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