I read Edd Dumbill’s post on the Zonbu computer with interest. The Zonbu is a small and inexpensive computer, reminiscent of the Mac Mini but running Linux. The disk is fairly small (4Gb flash) and is intended to serve more as a cache for your network storage than as your primary store.
The network store is a frontend on Amazon S3. This is interesting but confusing, because Zonbu is selling the computer at a price of $99 if you agree to a two year contract for storage at $12.95 a month (about $300 over two years).
The underlying S3 storage is pretty cheap: $0.15 per Gb-month, and $0.10/$0.18 per Gb-upload/download (discounts for higher quantities, which probably Zonbu can get but an individual user couldn’t). So if you are storing, say, 10Gb of data, and retrieving about 10Gb per month (including all the syncing, cache misses, etc), that comes to about $3 per month. Zonbu costs between $0.50 and $0.20 per Gb-month, depending on the plan, and you pay for capacity, not what you actually use (S3 only charges for what you really use). I assume there are bandwidth limits but they aren’t published.
As an aside, I was looking for backup systems for my dad a few months ago, and looked at some of the backup systems that included network storage. They were often in the range of $10-20 per month, and weren’t very high capacity. I came upon S3 Backup, which is a fairly simple Windows program to upload to S3. The price of S3 is way better than any of the other commercial solutions. The billing and account setup isn’t as simple as other systems (since it’s not intended to be), but this seems like something that should be fixed. There should be a consumer version of S3. It could make it easier for software developers to make services for people without actually having to maintain infrastructure. Or maybe more accurately, it would make this possible for open source developers, since we have no interest in being the intermediary for anything as that’s all liability with no payoff. (Or maybe it’s the opposite — only by being an intermediary can you get payoff? The economics of open source get confusing.)
Zonbu, as a device and company, appeals to me. But I can’t help but feel frustrated about the network storage pricing, even though those prices are completely reasonable (and it seems without draconian cancellation fees like mobile phones). Still there’s something about the equation that I just hate — loss leaders, unnecessarily intermediated transactions, hidden costs, and a price structure that depends on people not fully utilizing what they pay for. And I really like the S3 pricing — you pay for what you use and the pricing is completely transparent. What I like about it is that at no point is Amazon expecting you to act irrationally, and for Amazon to profit from your irrational choices. They aren’t expecting you to reserve more than you need. They aren’t going to punish you if you don’t reserve enough.
Another part of why I like S3’s structure is that Amazon (well, Amazon Web Services) owns this particular space in terms of services, and it’s not because of advertising or because they cornered the market or used proprietary anything to restrict choices or made secret business deals with anyone. They simply are providing a service with enough quality and efficiency that no one else can compete (at least at the moment). When quality and efficiency drives market choices it makes me feel all fuzzy and capitalist. This happens infrequently enough that perhaps I get a little overly excitable about resellers with different price structures.
Martin | 04-Aug-07 at 2:12 pm | Permalink
It’s price is based on capacity instead of actual use, but isn’t BingoDisk[1] a (similarly cheap) competitor to S3?
[1] http://www.bingodisk.com/
Jonathan Ellis | 04-Aug-07 at 2:13 pm | Permalink
You should check out Mozy for your dad. Supports windows/mac, costs $5/m for unlimited storage for personal use. (Or get 2GB for free.) And the client is far better than anything S3-based…
/used to work for Mozy
Jonathan Ellis | 04-Aug-07 at 2:16 pm | Permalink
(A flat fee may not be as transparent as Amazon’s pay-for-what-you-use, but consumers like flat fees. Which Mozy found out by trial and error. The consumer broadband market is another example.)
johnmc | 05-Aug-07 at 7:49 am | Permalink
Ian,
What Zonbu is selling is nothing but an Ewayco (TW) branded brick computer. And I do believe that model does have an IDE interface built in. But the key point is you can buy that model for $140 in single unit quantities. So you buy theirs, tweak a little code, use S3 at their publicly posted rate and use the difference to take dad out to dinner. Sounds like a win-win-win-win to me.
Shane Graber | 06-Aug-07 at 6:48 am | Permalink
There’s also JungleDisk that does something similar to S3 Backup: http://www.jungledisk.com/
Ian Bicking | 06-Aug-07 at 12:11 pm | Permalink
I definitely see the relation to the Ewayco computers, but I can’t really tell what model it is. The specs are pretty light too, so I’m not sure what you have to add to one of those to get a working system.
JungleDisk is interesting — looks like it converts WebDAV on localhost to S3 interactions. They have cost comparisons to some other systems, including BingoDisk (which compares favorably with large enough data, but S3 is cheaper for smaller amounts of disk/transfer).
Ken Kennedy | 06-Aug-07 at 1:42 pm | Permalink
Another JungleDisk recommendation here…I’ve just started playing with it, but it’s very nice. I agree with your dislike of loss leaders, non-transparent fee structure, etc., and that’s part of what I like w/ JungleDisk. $20 for program (for any number of machines, Mac/Linux/Windows…connecting to one S3 account), and then you just pay for S3 storage. I’ve been using S3 for about a year for occasional VERY large email attachments (upload, then send url), and I’ve never had a bill greater than $0.17/month. Usually $0.01-$0.03/month. That I can deal with.
Justus | 06-Aug-07 at 6:17 pm | Permalink
JungleDisk is pretty nice and worth the price IMHO. There are also a number of open source projects that use S3 (s3sync, for instance). I wrote a simple python-fuse module that I use to provide a globally shared directory between my work and home computers. The python boto library is pretty nice and includes interfaces to the other AWS services.
Mr. Zonbu | 07-Aug-07 at 7:21 am | Permalink
I share your concern about the pricing model, and I find it interesting that you note that the issue may be as much emotional as it is rational. I’m actually working on an upcoming post about this very issue.
The problem is, I think, that they are trying to change a business model in an established industry, and that is never an easy task - nor is it often successful.
With regards to the unit, it is a significantly higher spec unit than the ewayco units. The Zonbu has a 1.2GHz processor, 6 USB, 512MB of RAM, 4GB of flash etc. There are numerous sources for it, which I’ve discussed at length on my blog.
Remember, the monthly fee is not just for storage it is also because everything is -supposed- to “just work” out of the box, and all the updates and extensions are supposed to seamless. If they can pull that off, it has value for the average end user.
What I wanted to know was if you could actually replace a desktop PC with one of these, so I ordered one. I’ve been blogging about my experiences ever since, and amassed quite a bit of info on the topic. In fact I’m writing this from my Zonbu now, which I just carried to the office (since its more portable than my laptop).
My blog can be found here: http://mrzonbu.wordpress.com/
-Mr. Zonbu
Todd | 07-Aug-07 at 7:37 am | Permalink
Hey Ian, I’m looking at something similar and found this low-energy linux box that’s quite small. While it doesn’t have the $99 price-point, it does have a client $200 one that uses little energy. Would need to load it with some software where to hook it into whatever backend you have.
http://www.koolu.com/
Todd | 07-Aug-07 at 8:05 am | Permalink
You know what I was just thinking, and maybe there’s already a product/open source project that can do this. But it would be great if there was some simple software you’d install on your home box and all your friends would install on theirs. Then create a private redundant backup shared-storage system. Say, each friend tosses an extra 500 gig hard-drive in their home server, and it’s partitioned amongst 10 of their friends…hmmm…would be interesting. Then you could just hook your dad up to yours, and you could even use some of your dad’s extra space and you’d have a web of offsite backed up data.
John | 06-Dec-07 at 2:44 pm | Permalink
Take a look at Hamachi. https://secure.logmein.com/products/hamachi/vpn.asp?lang=en